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Post by paulis 1 on Jan 9, 2006 1:20:44 GMT -5
Sapphire, I can't believe it! Are you going to let a 28 year old upstart upstage you as the reigning queen of HP movie viewing? You really need to get moving so the upstart is put fully in her place.. Wow! We have a whole board set aside for FFs?? Cool! ;D
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Post by Richard on Jan 9, 2006 9:50:52 GMT -5
Hi everyone! It wasn't until I moved out of Holland that I heard about the Dutch being potheads and sex maniacs Thanks for that, off course it's true. I'm a sex maniac and a pot head ... ;D I feel somewhat guilty that you are scarred for life by our grill session. Not...too guilty...I mean, you lived--right? ;D A few scars make for interesting conversation. Scars can be usefull..... Another movie gripe: I hate the part where Karkaroff is shown sneaking into the room with the Goblet of Fire, makes that stupid sneaky face and closes the door. That might have worked 50 years ago. It just looks idiotic now. I found this a strange sequence, as it is clearly intended for the audience to start suspecting Karkaroff. Anyway, what WAS he doing there, as he wasn't the one who put Harry's name in the GoF? My thought: trying to get Krum to be champion. We know Krum was his favorite student. OK, I love the quote option, can you tell? Anyway, I've been thinking about goblins lately. Just as with giants, the goblin subplot has been mentioned in like every book. And just like the giants, I think it will become important. We have heard of goblin rebellions for so many times now, we know Bill hasn't got a clue what side the goblins will be on. And what was the purpose of the Bagman storyline if the goblins will not play a big part in the next book. Anyway, I think the goblins will rebel again, siding with Voldemort. Come to think of it, there was a goblin in the destroyed fountain, which, as DD (who RULES FOREVER) mentioned, told a lie. Anyone have any thoughts on this? I'm still working on my fanfiction, still struggling with the plot. I hope I can post some of it on the fanfic forum soon. Hope everyone is fine! Richard
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Post by sjr0301 on Jan 9, 2006 11:01:50 GMT -5
Richard: I agree that the goblins will figure in somehow. Two possiblities exist: one is that the Ministry will do something stupid vis a vis the goblins, probably to distract the public from its lack of success in controlling Voldemort and from the fear DD's death will generate. I would guess some goblins will side with LV because he promises them their rights and some may stay neutral. The second possbility is that a horcrux or some important piece of info will be hidden in Gringotts and Harry will have to persuade the goblins, with Bill's help, to let him search there.
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Post by sjr0301 on Jan 9, 2006 11:04:23 GMT -5
I can't imagine how one could have the time to see any movie 111 times, even one as fun as GoF! I ahve seen it four times and would like to see it at least one more before it leaves the theater, but I'm not too hopeful given my present work load. (Not to mention I do have to let someone else choose the shows once in a while).
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Post by Richard on Jan 9, 2006 12:11:37 GMT -5
The second possbility is that a horcrux or some important piece of info will be hidden in Gringotts and Harry will have to persuade the goblins, with Bill's help, to let him search there. This is an interesting idea. It never occurred to me, yet is possible. Gringotts is huge, very well-protected and a perfect place to hide stuff. And, we know LV has once managed to get passed security, in the first book. This is an interesting idea. On a Dutch forum, I was discussing about the fifth horcrux. I suggested that it probably is something of Ravenclaw, not only because DD suggested so, but also because I think LV wouldn't want anything of Gyrffindor. It was Gryffindor (not Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw) who caused Slytherin to leave Hogwarts. After that, we discussed what object it would be (of Ravenclaw). Someone said there could be a link between the objects and the qualities they want in their students. Brave Gryffindor had a Sword and Ordinary Hufflepuff had an ordinary Cup. But then I couldn't really see the link between the Locket and the Cunning Slytherin. But, assuming there is a link: what would Ravenclaw's object be? A book (we already had a diary, so I doubt it)? Or something else that indicated Intelligence (as Ravenclaw wanted intelligent students)? Anyone having any thoughts? Richard
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Post by * amanda on Jan 9, 2006 16:06:55 GMT -5
Rave, I hauled out the Lynne Cheney-esque censors just for you! haha, actually I'm just joking. I didn't realize that there were default censors on here. Keep in mind I got this board for free and it comes with a default setup that includes censors and probably tons of other hidden customizable features that I probabkly don't even know about yet! Later I will look into it and see if I can turn off the censors. (I'd do it now but am between classes so I won't be able to have time and play around with the board 'til tonight or tomorrow...). That is, I'll turn them off only if you promise to behave. sapphi, who says we're all past that horrible awkwardness and angst of teenagehood? haha. Just kidding. However, I can still relate to Harry and the other Hogwarts kids in some parts of the movie. I just love how they captured that level of awkwarness that, is on the one hand, for the most part mercifully confined to teenagehood, but on the other hand, is a universal feeling that we can all relate to sometimes. It helped make Hogwarts seem so "real" also, I agree that the bit with Karkaroff was dumb. so was having mad-eye-moony/crouch jr. constantly licking his lips in an "evil" way. I suppose it was so the audience could try to guess who the bad guy was and tie up the strings of the plot (connect mad eye with barty jr. from the pensieve sequences), but still, it seemed too superficial the way they portrayed "the bad guy" as having a strange facial/tounge tick. Besides, the vast majority of the people in the theatres had read the book so it was no surprise to the majority of the audience that mad eye was actually crouch, jr. We knew that without having him lick his lips all of the time. Richard, I meant to say that I heard the *STEREOTYPE* that the Dutch were potheads and sex maniacs! haha! oops, my mistake. Though, if that's what you really are, well, I can respect your personal choices... Have you ever seen the movie "Eurotrip"? They do have a funny bit where they go to Amsterdam......... Re: horcruxes. They confuse me. I have the feeling that no matter what we guess, JK will still manage to surprise us with what the Horcruxes are. They may even be brand-new objects that we've never seen before, although I hope they're not because I do like the idea that she's been building up to the events in the 7th book throughout the entire series and that somewhere in the past 6 books we've somehow heard mention of all of the objects that are horcruxes.
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Post by Richard on Jan 9, 2006 18:30:42 GMT -5
Have you ever seen the movie "Eurotrip"? They do have a funny bit where they go to Amsterdam......... I saw that movie. The bit about Amsterdam was funny. It wasn't shot in Amsterdam though, as the plates on the cars were (if I remember correctly) Belgian..... And no, not all Dutch people are potheads and sex maniacs, believe me. On that note ... I can definitely still relate to the teen angst. I just tried this evening to have a nice MSN conversation with a girl from school whom I quite like, well, I can tell you, it's still awkward sometimes. I'm off to bed soon. Take care everyone! Richard
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Post by healer on Jan 9, 2006 18:36:36 GMT -5
Hi All! Wow! Some GREAT discussions going on again. We know that Goblins are good at guarding things (Gringotts)... Has anyone considered the possibility that there are at least 2 factions of goblins... EG The ones who work at Gringotts who would join The Order to help defeat Voldy and another who are more self interested - Ragnok's gang? ?? Wonderful discussions starting here again - feels just like old times :-)
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Post by Tonks on Jan 9, 2006 19:03:05 GMT -5
hey muggies, just a quick postie!
richard, i think it goes without saying that all men are pretty much sex maniacs....LOL! as for the karkaroff theory, i found that sequence a bit cheesy and wondered why they strayed and even showed that. i like the idea he was trying to rig it to pick krum. but, i thought about this shortly after seeing it the first time. what if, for the movie, they are trying to convey that that WAS barty jr?? i mean, we all know he used the polyjuice potion to be moody, whats to say that he didn't get a piece of karkaroff?? i'm really weighing on that idea.
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Post by Richard on Jan 10, 2006 7:07:02 GMT -5
Hi everyone, Tonks, that's an interesting thought. It seems very Crouch Jr.-ish to assume the form of Karkaroff and try to hoodwink the GoF. If he was caught or seen, Karkaroff was to blame, and his Mad-Eye cover wasn't blown. Wow! Some GREAT discussions going on again. We know that Goblins are good at guarding things (Gringotts)... Has anyone considered the possibility that there are at least 2 factions of goblins... EG The ones who work at Gringotts who would join The Order to help defeat Voldy and another who are more self interested - Ragnok's gang? ?? Matt, that's a great idea about the factions amongst goblins. I always assumed they were all the same, but it seems very logical that they have different opinions. It's the same with the giants really, some are good and some are bad. I have given the Ravenclaw Horcrux a bit of thought, yesterday, but couldn't think of anything. I checked the Lexicon (they have a special section with all magical items and devices mentioned in the books) but after reading through the entire list I didn't found anything at all that could be a horcrux. I agree with the person who said (I think it was Elle, but not sure) it was likely all the horcruxes were already mentioned once in the books. That seems very JKR-ish. I also thought about the possibility that Regulus (assuming he's RAB) had more than 1 horcrux, but as his note clearly speaks of horcrux and not horcruxes, I don't think that will happen. OK, enough rambling. Hope everyone is doing fine! Richard
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Post by hedwig on Jan 10, 2006 9:01:12 GMT -5
Hi all - some great discussions - will throw my 2ps worth in later when I get a chance. JK has given an interview in the Daily telegraph today (tuesday) and she gives some details as to what made her write Harry and how her mum never knew about him and that there isnt a day that goes by that JK doesnt think of her mum. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/01/10/nrowl10.xmlSpeak to u all later.
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Post by Richard on Jan 10, 2006 11:31:36 GMT -5
Thanks Hedwig, for that link. I read about it on TLC, but forgot to read the article. By clicking on the first of the related links to the right of the article, you'll see another article. It elaborates more on the death of her Mother and how it influenced Harry and her live. When reading it, I just couldn't help but thinking what a great and wonderful person J.K. Rowling is.
Richard
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Post by Kit M. on Jan 10, 2006 18:37:20 GMT -5
Hi peeps. (I know I don't post often, but hey no one can force me. Sometimes nothing to say)
Just something about the Regulus Black being RAB theory. Somewhere in book 5 (I know since I have read it 16 times and am reading it) Sirius says that Regulus wasn't important enough to be killed by Voldemort. Plus, he wasn't supposed to be a powerful wizard. I therefore assume, he wasn't smart enough and just got scared from what was going on and the idea of getting shut into azkaban for life or killed. But the killing happened anyway. Too bad for him I guess. Oh and for really obsessive readers, it seems to obvious.
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Post by * amanda on Jan 10, 2006 23:28:10 GMT -5
Hey everyone! I had a message typed out but accidentally closed the browser window and lost it... oops! Let me see if I can remember... I read the article about JKR this morning. Very sweet and sad. so many people take their mothers for granted... so don't! I appreciate mine so much and whenever I go back to school I am reminded of how much I miss her, but I'm lucky that I go back to see her often. I am always so saddened when I hear of people who do not have good relationships with their parents. Don't take them for granted, people! Life's too short for that. give them a hug if/while you can. sorry for the little tangent. continuing on... I just read the book "A Great and Terrible Beauty" and I'm now on the sequel (it's a trilogy) "Rebel Angels." It's a young adult book targeted primarily at female readers (though I think it could interest anyone who's interested in a sort of fantasy/sci-fi/historical drama genre). It reminds me a great deal of Harry Potter, as it deals with similar themes and even a vaguely similar setting. While the writer's style isn't quite as light or humorous as Jk's trademark style, the writer does a good job with balancing a realistic teenage character who has supernatural abilities and a great responsibility to restore order and fight evil. The main character is kind of a female Victorian era version of HP. It's an interesting read and I'll post more about it in the off-topic forum for anyone interested in something to read whilst waiting for HP7. Kit, just so we all know who you are, you used to post as cleverwitch, correct? and might you be the daughter of one of our very own Mugwumps? welcome back.
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Post by * amanda on Jan 10, 2006 23:42:37 GMT -5
Oh, I know what else I was going to post. This is kind of a silly topic, but for some random reason I was thinking about it today. I was wondering what you think of how JKR has portrayed Harry and Hermione's relationship throughout the series. Now, we all know that H/H shippers are, as Emerson from M-Net put it ever so eruditely, "delusional," so the last thing I want to do is appear to be one myself, but DO you think it's all that reasonable that Harry and Hermione have always had such a platonic relationship without any sort of sexual tension ever, or do you think I'm wrong and that JK has at one time or another hinted at "frission" between the two in the books ? (hence where H/H-ers get their delusional ideas from). From my personal experience, I have two good friends who are both male whom I've known for a long time. Our relationship is very much Harry/Hermione-esque. We all date other people (and know full well we date other people) and have never, and will never (as it's understood unofficially between us) date. However, there has, ever so occassionally, been some sort of "tension" between us: whether a freudian slip (haha those are fun, I must admit), awkward moments, or perhaps momentary feelings of jealousy that pass very quickly. I love that H/H can be friends, but I just find it strange that JKR has never really so much as hinted at any such fleeting tension between Harry/Hermione by, having, say, Hermione hint that she's turned on by Harry's legs, or that Harry's has ever said "Hermione, you're my breast...erm, I mean, best! friend...". They are, after all, human beings. It happens no matter how much of a sibling-esque relationship you may have. Okay, end random rambling. (haha I'm so glad we're not on WB. I had worse examples of freudian slips, like "I love it when you pet my owl" but I'm far too much of a lady to post anything that suggestive... yet it's still fun to post sans censorship. mwahahha.)
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Post by ravenfel on Jan 11, 2006 0:54:13 GMT -5
Elle.. I am a Harry/Hermione shipper.. and proud of it!! Emerson can just sit on it and rotate for all I care... but.. I'm a bit worried for Ron and Hermione.. J.K. Rowling has said more than once that Harry must go on alone.. that in the end he will be alone.. now.. as I see it.. the only way to get Ron and Hermione.. and I believe Ginny, Neville and Luna away from Harry is to .. well.. *gulps and makes a slashing movement across the neck* ... whacha ya'll think?
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Post by Elle Delacour on Jan 11, 2006 1:01:37 GMT -5
I'm a geek. a delusional one, at that. I wish I could find a career being a geek.
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Post by Elle Delacour on Jan 11, 2006 1:03:27 GMT -5
P.S. use the avatars sparingly. I stole them from M-net, bandwidth and all. if you feel bad, buy a Mugglenet t-shirt or something.
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